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Searchlight vs. L.A.: Rival Rallies Reveal Stark Right/Left Divide

Us: Smiling, literate, calm and focused, normal.

Them: Either glaring or hiding their faces, ignorant, all over the map. Freak show.

Not to mention there were ZERO arrests of TEA partiers.

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  1. The pictures on the link are the standard fare we have come to see over the past dozen years. Right wingers touting God, country and family with a splash of political rhetoric. Left wingers slinging hatred, anti-semitism, paranoia and conspiracy theories with a splash (or a wave) of Marxist ideology. And Mo is correct. The right wingers are generally peaceful while the left is a rabid cesspool of 60’s wannabee’s defending totalitarians and gangsters.

  2. The right wingers are generally peaceful….

    Wow. If you just showed up here and read Mo’s post and Eric’s comment, you would have no idea that just two days ago, 8 members of a right-wing Christian militia were arrested for plotting to murder police officers and incite a battle between the US government and her citizens. Guess that’s that “splash of political rhetoric.”

    This is the problem with both sides. They each believe that they have lucked out by being on the side that is 100% true, correct, and pure. They can’t fathom that anyone would ever join the dark side (read:the other party) and they haven’t the foggiest idea that the other side feels just as sanctimonious as they do. And to think, almost all of the true-believing adherents to the right- and left-wing absolutism, miraculously had the good fortune of just happening to have been born to a family that already believed the way they claim to have arrived at through careful and scientific inquiry. Maybe, instead of being so much smarter or more moral than the others, they have just willingly gulped down what mommy and daddy put in their porridge bowls. And then they grow up and are shocked and horrified that there’s a group that has different values from them.

    Both the right and the left can point to vitriolic behavior by the other side. But it continues to astonish me that those on this site (and Andre and Wes were very guilty of this, themselves) still somehow believe that their side is oh-so-much more pristine than the other, even with all of the evidence that is available today. But it is especially shocking, coming on the heels of one of the largest domestic terrorism arrests in a decade… an event that had previously gone completely unacknowledged by the preening right-wingers on this site.

    • But each group has different morals, values, and principles that govern their behavior and beliefs. Conservatives respect law and order, many on the other side do not. I attended ‘Dan’s bake sale’ and 250,000 conservative people descended onto Ft. Collins in an amazing show of respect, friendliness, and feeling of brotherhood. And not one arrest. Not one burned car, smashed window, or act of vandalism. I was there and it was amazing. The difference is stark and Damien needs to take off his blinders and quit acting like there is some sort of moral or actual equivalency between the two. Because there is not. I don’t smear everyone on the Left because of the ELF burning down a ski lodge somewhere and any inference that there is some sort of significant link between some apocalyptic militia out to kill police officers and the 9-12 groups and like minded people who want to restore the rule of law and governance by the constitution is somewhere between incredible fallacy and downright ignorance. DFV is smarter than that. I didn’t post or comment on a tiny cell of militiamen crawling around in the woods anymore than I bother to comment on every hiccup by the klan.

      There have been and always will be extremists and crazies on all sides, and the right has them as well as the left. I am not ignorant that the Left is as “sanctimonious” he Right, but that doesn’t a fart in the wind to me. So what? The Brown shirts, Khmer Rouge, and Al-Qaeda were probably “sanctimonious” too. Who cares? Acting like you are right and correct does not make you wrong. You should act on the courage of your convictions and defend the righteousness of your cause. Some of us are not interested in just sitting around eating our cheerios and “tsk tsking” those who dare to hold a sign on a street corner. Defending liberty and the constitution are noble pursuits and I applaud all those who do so with energy, conviction, honor, personal restraint, and proper etiquette. And frankly, Mo and E could not have said it better.

      • And I have known a great many people who do not march lock step with their parents on politics. Both from the right and from the left. I’ve me all kinds of people who were apolitical or raised in a liberal family that became Christians and then adopted the conservative philosophy as their own. The reverse is certainly true, even within my own extended family, especially with those who have allowed themselves to swallow the progressive point of view that is little more than indoctrination on college campuses nationwide. The entire neocon movement was started by Trotskyites and various communists and liberals who abandoned those movements and adopted much of the philosophy and reasonings of the conservative ideology and philosophy as their own. My parents taught me good citizenship, a respect for this country and its founders, patriotism, common sense, a respect for freedom and liberty, free enterprise, respect for tradition and history, and the concepts of right and wrong. That I should not have abandoned them after my own intellectual examination of them and the other ideologies available is not a badge of shame to wear, but a badge of honor. It is to their credit that I ingrained their view of the world into mine and did not reject the truths that they taught me. One has to wonder why the former chairman of a College Republican chapter and former chairman of the RockyMtn. Gun Owners seems to sometimes question the ideology and beliefs he once championed. Are we having doubts about the ideology we once believed in during our youth?

  3. Both the right and the left can point to vitriolic behavior by the other side. But it continues to astonish me that those on this site (and Andre and Wes were very guilty of this, themselves) still somehow believe that their side is oh-so-much more pristine than the other, even with all of the evidence that is available today. But it is especially shocking, coming on the heels of one of the largest domestic terrorism arrests in a decade… an event that had previously gone completely unacknowledged by the preening right-wingers on this site.

    Darn it! I had a long-winded comment prepared saying just what Damien said here. Well, to tell the truth his phraseology is much better. He beat me to it!

    A great summation, DFV! A little hard on E, but great none the less.

  4. Ha!! Nice straw man DFV!! I love how you use the ‘they’ in there. It’s fun to lump me in there with the right wing militia. Good one. I’m actually surprised that PG didn’t jump on you for your sophist arguments but alas, he happens to agree with your own inflamatory brand of hatred.

    Nice try but next time try not to be such a child when you launch into some tirade about how pure and moral you are because you are so far above the fray. It is unbecoming of one to argue as a deified observer of the right or left wing cretins below. I especially like the part that PG himself quoted in which you vilify members of this site for not having the stomach to post something about the domestic terrorists among us. . . as if having right wing views compels us to acknowledge that these buffoons have anything to do with us! My answer to you is to post it yourself if you are so up-in-arms about it!

    Finally, it is the essence of sophistry to suggest, as you do, that 1) those with right wing Christian views are monochromatic and 2) that those plotting terror attacks were tea partiers that were peacefully protesting. If you want to argue as a high school junior, then go ahead and throw in the fact that the K.K.K. and Fred Phelps are also “right wing Christians” and be done with it. But for now, I’d prefer you spare me your sanctimonious bullshit (I almost vomited when you threw something about mommy and daddy and porridge bowls – what a stupid fucking line), actually look at the pictures in reference like a scholar might, and make grown up arguments.

    And PG, shame on you for piling on to such drivel. I expect better from you.

    • I’m actually surprised that PG didn’t jump on you for your sophist arguments but alas, he happens to agree with your own inflamatory brand of hatred.

      And PG, shame on you for piling on to such drivel. I expect better from you.

      Pretty harsh, especially since I said Damien was being hard on you E.

      I do not read Damien’s comment as you do. I read it as his accusation of people leading an unexamined life and its results. I read it as his observation that people refuse to apply intellectual honesty in their belief systems and their ideology.

      I read his statement as an accusation of “Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?”

      I see you are upset about his attempt to point out as what he sees as hypocrisy in not referencing the arrest of the “Right-Wing Extremists”. Well, I do have to say it is a tad unseemly to celebrate one’s side as being pure with that kind new stain on it. I know, nothing to do with the “real” right, huh? The left says the same.

      Now, I believe there might be some belief by you and others that there was an attack on religion by Damien in his comment. I did not see it that way. If he was trying to indicate that one can not choose a life of faith within a religion and still be intellectually honest – well then he is full of shit. I did not read it that way.

      It is daft to accuse me of hatred here. I do hate intellectual dishonesty, hypocrisy, fanaticism and extremism. I fear the true believer. I take no comfort from the proffer of their conviction as proof its righteousness.

      Finally, there are right-wing views, and there are extreme views. My tent of inclusion is it at once larger and smaller than those at the extremes.

      • I am not sure what his motivations were on the post. What it failed to do was acknowledge that my point is basically correct; the point was that there is little in the way of photographic evidence to suggest that these people are a whacked out lunatic fringe. There is every reason to believe that, based on photographic evidence, the left wing anti-war rally a week ago was full of those types.

        I never stated that the right was “pure.” Instead I made a logical claim based on evidence. Now if our resident attorney has something other than circumstantial or anecdotal evidence based on nutjobs from Michigan, I’m ready to see it!

        In no way are you a “hater.” It was a poor analogy.

  5. Sorry, but restating the “we are right, and they are wrong” defense as an excuse for any excesses hardly contributes to clarity. In fact that was DFV’s point.

    Extreme actions, rhetoric and ideology from either side is B.S.

    Your Tea Party people carry signs accusing the left of being Nazis and Communists. Ok, but then quit whining when the left responds in kind. It is only natural. When one portrays its opposition as evil, the other side will reciprocate.

    The Klan and these militias have NOTHING to do with conservatives or the right. You can draw a Venn diagram that shows their beliefs in extreme actions and ideology meeting with the violent radicals of the so called left.

    Get this straight please – In practice EXTREMISM is the disease. The minutia of the particular beliefs of the extremists are really immaterial.

    To the extent some so called “conservative” writes or makes speeches decrying the end of freedom and a call for “revolution” they are extremists. Live with it.

    I am getting real tired of armchair patriots in front of their computers typing clarion calls to “arms”, regardless of their ideology. I am tired of “marchers” carrying inflammatory signs accusing the other side’s leaders as being the next Hitler. If ONLY they faced a real Bull Connor with his dogs and hoses during their marches. They are Sunshine Patriots to this point.

    • The Left is hardly “responding in kind.” The pioneered the tactic and have exercised it constantly over the last eight years and in many ways have since the sixties. And its been working. Their social revolution has been remarkably successful and to fight back a bit should certainly be no cause for alarm. They took the gloves off long ago while we quibble about the proper etiquette and niceties we need to show to them.

      • You seek to justify your actions based on the actions of others? Is that what you are saying?

        Yes they are, by the way.

      • Uh, no they are not. In fact, they have hardly reacted to the TEA party in any organized matter. They don’t know how. The best they can come up with is jr. high name-calling gutter sexual terms like “tea-baggers” and trying to say we all are about a night’s sleep from blowing things up. Where have you been the last eight years? The Right as a whole has rejected the double standard of the left that says we can call Bush a Nazi, but you can’t call Obama a socialist. No more niceties in the political struggle. The Right has done little but lose by not incorporating any of the tactics so successfully used by the Left (like street protests for example, grassroots organizing, the concept of leaderless resistance etc.) and perhaps being a bit confrontational. The Left destroyed any remaining decorum and decency and politeness in the ideological struggle so the Right isn’t hand-wringing about it either. What goes around comes around. They can dish it out ad nauseum but they can’t take it. Too bad, so sad. I have no sympathy for their hypocritical, crocodile tears when the Right stands up to their statist agenda.

      • Dave, you sound like a child. “He hit me first, mommy!”. “Mommy, the Liberal is touching me!”

        It is reciprocal. There is no “They started it first”. What we have here is Political Infantilism. The independents that matter are scared away by it.

        Keep talking Dave. You keep making my point.

        WOLVERINES!

      • Just explaining to you how the activist Right views such teeth gnashing complaints about civility. Didn’t say I endorsed it one way or the other.

    • You throw around insults and insinuations all the time. I personalize it because it should be personalized to make you realize the type of people that you tearing down. Mocking the Tea party types means you are mocking people exactly like Mo K. And that’s a shame and you should quit it. And the continued “wolverines” silly crap in reference to myself needs to stop as well. The continued references to Normandy or facing firehoses is perplexing and has nothing to do with anything. Thank God that the TEA party types have not been attacked physically or forced into violent confrontations or had to face police state tactics. Thank goodness. No one wants it to come to that.

      • I did not insult Mo.

        You need to stop acting as if people who do not take your view are not patriotic. Also, having a political view does not make one patriotic.

        So I can not say “Wolverines”? Strange. Satire is not allowed?

  6. Some of us are not interested in just sitting around eating our cheerios and “tsk tsking” those who dare to hold a sign on a street corner.

    If you had me included in this even slightly, then I would suggest that you have no f-ing clue what actions I take.

    WOLVERINES, David, WOLVERINES!

    • I was referring to DFV. If you are also “tsk tsking” those who are daring to stand up and do “something” to defend the Republic then feel free to lump yourself in with my characterization. Typing on a keyboard or confronting your congressman, or standing on a street corner exercising your right to political protest, or blogging, or signing a petition is far from ‘sunshine patriotism.” Instead in many ways it is exercising your rights as a patriot and exercising your patriotism to stand up against the crap being shoved down our throats by those who have no respect for either the rule of law, the constitution, or the traditions and principles of this nation. All I can say is “good for them” to all those who are casting off the American cloak of apathy that plagues this nation and getting involved in every way possible from actually showing up to their precinct caucus, to calling their elected representatives, and fighting back loudly and vociferously against socialism, statism, and out of control big government. Every citizen who got off the couch in the last year to express their concern about the course of events and the path we are on as a country should be loudly applauded and thanked for their efforts and service. We need ten more to rise up for every one who already has.

  7. Eric managed to somehow misunderstand almost everything I said. I’d take the blame for not expressing it clearly enough, but PG understood it completely.

    I didn’t equate you or anyone else with the militia. My discussion about the right- and left-wingers wasn’t meant to include those extremists at all, but rather meant to demonstrate that there are some news items partisan advocates tend to notice and some they don’t. Of course it’s not incumbant on conservatives to immediately denounce any instance of right-wing extremism, but when you happen to be on the topic anyway, waxing proud about how grand your side is while dismissing all liberal demonstrators as “a cesspool,” looks a bit silly when all the news sites of that very day have 8 big mug shots staring back at us.

    Lastly, I know that sometimes I can’t hardly say “Happy Birthday” without sounding arrogant about it, but I absolutely don’t feel “pure and moral” or “so far above the fray.” On the contrary, my whole point is that I recognize that my understanding of the world has changed in many ways over the last 15 years, and I try to refrain from insisting that I have all the answers now, because I’m assuming that it will change further over the next 15 years. It is this recognition of the fact that even when I have been most certain, I have been most wrong, and that I can therefore assume that I am likely wrong about certain things today.

    The sweeping generalizations about the correctness of one’s views, or the virtues of one’s side in the debate, are almost always wrong, if only because they presume too much.

  8. Our own MoK is probably the typical 9-12 or TEA party attendee. White, middle class, conservative with a libertarian bent, probably a bit more concerned about economic and big government issues than the old ‘hot button’ social issues, and once in awhile has taken sign in hand to march side by side with large numbers of other concerned citizens to make her voice heard. God bless her…

    I don’t care what they say Mo you, and people like you, who took to the streets in D.C. are not sunshine patriots.

    • LOL. Way to personalize things, Dave. You are so transparent. I make a point about behavior, specific behavior. You then twist its meaning. Don’t people call you on this dishonest form of argument? It is a habit you have. It is shameful. Your hyperbole is offensive at times too.

      The point is: When we, any of us, behave within the law we have nothing to fear regarding our different types of political expression.

      If people claim they are doing anything heroic or are facing down an evil government then they are delusional. I do not care who they are, Dave. That is true if they are you, Mo or the Pillsbury Dough Boy.

      Nathan Hale uttered his immortal words right before he was hanged. That took courage. Typing stuff on a computer in the country he gave his life to found is EASY. Marching peacefully with a permit is in reality a parade. Enjoy it. It just is not hitting the beaches at Normandy.

      Finally buddy, if this applies to anyone, then too bad…

      I am getting real tired of armchair patriots in front of their computers typing clarion calls to “arms”, regardless of their ideology. I am tired of “marchers” carrying inflammatory signs accusing the other side’s leaders as being the next Hitler. If ONLY they faced a real Bull Connor with his dogs and hoses during their marches. They are Sunshine Patriots to this point.

      How that can be twisted to apply to Mo marching beats me. Keep dreaming. Good Grief. I did not claim all so called Tea Partiers engaged in those types of behaviors, YOU TRIED TO CLAIM I DID. Shame on you, Dave, stop it.

  9. While we whine and quibble about what signs are appropriate or whether or not marching in the street is acceptable behavior the country is in peril, the progressive barbarians have almost completely conquered the state, and the extreme agenda of Obama marches on. Just thought I’d let you know. Try doing something about that instead of attacking those who are trying to fight the shared ideological enemy that we all face. The constitution and liberty is worth defending. What have you done today to help that cause and that fight? Infighting is stupid and self-defeating and shame on all those who engage in it.

  10. Try doing something about that instead of attacking those who are trying to fight the shared ideological enemy that we all face.

    You do not know what others do. Why do you presume to act as if you do?

  11. I apparently missed a lot of these comments! (I’m so used to getting auto-notices, but I guess that doesn’t happen when you’re the original poster). Thanks for sticking up for me, Dave…and no offense, PG :-)

    Anyway, I happened upon this tonight, and thought it was applicable to my original point.
    Democrat “Race-Bait” falls off hook –TEA Party Vindicated

  12. In the interest of always seeking the truth, I wanted to make sure to link this story from the Sunday Denver Post. You should know that the article is written by a liberal who relishes bashing Republicans (not always fairly). He went to a TEA Party gathering at the state Capitol, and readers would be forgiven for assuming that he went there to find dirt on the right-wingers. But a funny thing happened on the way to the Klan lynching….

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